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Movie Grab Bag Eight - ...is MORE than enough
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TelstarMan
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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i51e89b98d080819909a7554764221501
WHITE CHICKS II. The hell, Hollywood?
Edited to add: In the depths of this massive article about how the Weinsteins are dead if they don't have a hit this year, the reporter says they're trying for another Scream trilogy. Is it 1995 again?
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Amelia
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From the last thread:
If I had to hazard a guess, the new NOES is a victim of the "Show, Don't Tell" meme that has infected writing programmes the world over like a particularly persistent strain of hantavirus. While I agree that the Hunka Hunka Burnin' Exposition tactic should generally be avoided as often as possible, I wish more writers would realize that sometimes hearing about an event/person is a more effective way to build a mood than actually seeing it/them for yourself.
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Bergerjacques
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What complicates matters is that Freddy is already a thoroughly developed monster. One of the aspects about the creation of Freddy Krueger I absolutely loved was his careful development as a monster. He is the best creation Wes Craven ever conceived of ... and whenever he added to it, it became more complicated and at the same time more cemented in my mind.
So if there is a re-boot of his origin, which is a mistake - what part of his origin do you keep and what do you throw away?
Obviously, Dream Master and Dream Child and Freddy's Dead can be ignored because then, Freddy is little more than sadistic Borscht Belt comedian with razors for hands.
Personally, just because Freddy was the first monster to get an overt homosexual treatment, I wish you could keep aspects of part two in which he actually wishes to possess someone and emerge back into the land of the living. Just make it less homophobic and it could work!
But, for purposes of respecting Wes Craven's creation, you have Nightmare on Elm Street 1 in which Freddy manifests himself out of his desire for revenge and the collective guilty consciences and nightmares of the parents who participated in his death. Then you have Freddy Three: Dream Warriors, where his origin is expanded to include that he is the bastard son of a 1,000 maniacs who raped a nun - as well as the whole collective guilt and revenge drive.
Then you have New Nightmare where Craven creates a demon that becomes the fictional character Freddy and depends for its existence the imaginations and nightmares of the real-life cast and writers that fueled the creation of the Freddy Krueger character to begin with.
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ProfessorMortis
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The great things about hearing rather than seeing in that case:
a) Imagining it is worse than what they'll put on screen
b) Hearing about it recalls not only traditional ghost tales but also gives the story more of an "urban legend" feel, 100% appropriate for story. It also puts the origin of the evil in the middle of the story, rather than the beginning though I'm not sure when they'll show it happen.
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Bergerjacques
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There are a number of sources that talk or joke about the unintended, or intended, themes of adolescent fears of a gay identity in Nightmare in Elm Street 2.
In Wikipedia (I know, hardly an authoritative source) a number of critics - both professional and internet - have read a lot of subtext about a young boy's fear over his emerging homosexuality.
Article from glbtq encyclopedia
X-Entertainment Review that points to scenes where the subtext could be perceived
Wikipedia article that touches on critical views of a gay subtext in Freddy 2
The film's director said if there was a gay subtext, it was unintended - so I'm wrong about it being overt. And yet, even the director admits that one can see that subtext as a legitimate interpretation of the movie.
If it is true, though, it is one of also very laughable homophobia as well - making it a popular movie for the gay community to give the B-fest treatment. Mainly because the movie is not that good and that realizing you're different from everyone else (ie homosexual) is scaaaarrrryyyy.
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Amelia
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See, I hated that about Part Two. Not the, ahem, "unintentional" homoeroticism (oh heavens no; that's the only good reason to watch it); I mean the whole "possession/trying to become human again" thing. Why on God's green earth would Freddy want to become human, and therefore vulnerable? In the dream world, he has absolute, nigh-godlike power; not only is he not bound by the laws of Man, he's not even bound by the laws of physics, for heaven's sake. What kind of fool would give that up, and what possible advantage could there be in doing so?
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You don't need to be gay to give that movie the B-Fest treatment. We just watched it the other weekend, and it's still a delight; not good, of course, but just so consistently, pointlessly bizarre.
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ProfessorMortis
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I think it's easily the most entertaining of the sequels, albeit not in a good way.
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Bergerjacques
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Personally, I LOVE the school bus on a rock. And the "take it easy, man, just take it easy" scene to an obviously vicious psychopath with razor blades for hands who has JUST KILLED people.
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Amelia
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It just has so much going for it.
- The leather-daddy coach who makes boys run laps around the gym in the middle of the night, apparently unconcerned by potential parental repercussions
- Jesse's odd yet striking physical resemblance to Gary Numan
- The dogs with hilariously unconvincing papier-mache babies' faces
- Phallic python
- Exploding parakeet
- Jesse's groin-thrusting bedroom dance that seems to go on for forty-five minutes
- Jesse's dad apparently believing that his child's possible drug addiction is a matter of truly minor import
- The vaguely racist "Fu Man Chews" cereal box
Oh, I could go on.
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EXPLODING PARAKEET.
God, I just adore that movie.
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I disappointed that with all the other stuff randomly exploding, that rat they find in the abandoned factory didn't go boom too.
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Amelia
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Well, at least it gets eaten by an unconvincing demon-cat hand puppet.
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